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Plato, Republic, Book 6, section 487c (search)
so they are finally blocked and have their mouths stopped by this other game of draughts played not with counters but with words; yet the truth is not affected by that outcome.Cf. Hipp. Minor 369 B-C and Grote ii. p. 64 “Though Hippias admits each successive step he still mistrusts the conclusion” also Apelt, p. 492, 357 A-B and Laws 903 ABIA/ZESQAI TOI=S LO/GOIS, and also Hipparchus 232 B for the idea that dialectic constrains rather than persuades. In the Ion, 533 C, Ion says he cannot A)NTILE/GEIN, but the fact remains that he knows Homer but not other poets. Cf. also 536 D. The passage virtually anticipates Bacon's Novum Org
Plato, Republic, Book 6, section 497c (search)
it finds the best polity as it itself is the best, then will it be apparentFor the idiom cf.AU)TO\ DEI/CEIPhileb. 20 C, with Stallbaum's note, Theaet. 200 E, Hipp. Maj. 288 B, Aristoph.Wasps 994, Frogs 1261, etc., Pearson on Soph. fr. 388. Cf.AU)TO\ SHMANEI=, Eurip.Bacch. 476, etc. that this was in truth divine and all the others human in their natures and practices. Obviously then you are next, going to ask what is this best form of government.” “Wrong,” he saidPlato similarly plays in dramatic fashion with the order of the dialogue in 523 B, 528 A, 451 B-C, 458 B. “I was going to ask not that but whether it is this one that we have described in our establishment
Plato, Republic, Book 6, section 499a (search)
y no means.” “Neither, my dear fellow, have they ever seriously inclined to hearken to fair and free discussions whose sole endeavor was to search out the truthAs the Platonic dialectic does (Phileb. 58 C-D, Cf. What Plato Said, p. 611) in contrast with the rhetorician, the lawyer (Theaet. 172 D-E) and the eristic (Euthydem. 272 B, Hipp. Maj. 288 D). at any cost for knowledge's sake, and which dwell apart and salute from afarCf. Eurip.Hippol. 102, Psalm cxxxviii. 6 “the proud he knoweth afar off.” all the subtleties and cavils that lead to naught but opinionCf. Phaedrus 253 D with Theaetet. 187 C, and Unity of Plato's Thought, p. 48. and strife in