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and the administration of cities and the
education of men, it surely is fair to question him and ask,
‘Friend Homer, if you are not at the third remove from truth and
reality in human excellence, being merely that creator of phantoms whom we
defined as the imitator, but if you are even in the second place and were
capable of knowing what pursuits make men better or worse in private or
public life, tell us what city was better governed owing to you,1 even as Lacedaemon was because of
Lycurgus,2 and many other cities
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